Collateral Damage

Collateral Damage is a news and chat show produced by KDHX Community Media in St. Louis, MO dealing with local and state politics, how national issues affect the region and what role the media plays in determining how reality is perceived in Metro Saint Louis. Veteran journalist D.J. Wilson is your host and guests include members of the mainstream media as well as bloggers, politicians and activists.
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Collateral Damage is a news and chat show produced by KDHX Community Media in St. Louis, MO dealing with local and state politics, how national issues affect the region and what role the media plays in determining how reality is perceived in Metro Saint Louis. Veteran journalist D.J. Wilson is your host and guests include members of the mainstream media as well as bloggers, politicians and activists.

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Nov 21, 2017

This week on DJ Wilson's Collateral Damage, Hank Thompson sits down with education activist Bill Monroe who shares decades worth of stories of shaking up the status quo.

In addition to an animated guest, we're trying a a couple new things this week. First, you may notice some smokey saxophone interludes - those are simply to break up the conversation a bit. Also, you'll notice that Hank will be calling this program "DJ Wilson's Collateral Damage." 

Here's a look at how the conversation went:

Chapter 1. "Brother! Brother! Don't Leave Me!" Monroe discusses the experiences that lead him to be an activist who wasn't afraid to literally fight back. (1:15-15:00)

Chapter 2. "Sounds like a good time to retire." Monroe made it through his time on the force with the help- and in spite-of his friend Marvin Boone. (15:00-27:15)

Chapter 3. Getting kicked out of the Stockley trial. (27:15-32:45)

Chapter 4. Marvin strikes again (literally again). Monroe got his friend a well-paying job and the friend got him fired - but it makes for a great story. (27:15-37:00)

Chapter 5. "Let me talk about Thurgood." Monroe sold his soul to try and set up one of the first charter schools in St Louis--then it was sabotaged. (37:00-45:30)

Chapter 6. "We've been poked, prodded, studied, and misdirected for a long time." Monroe isn't satisfied with that state of public schools in St Louis and he isn't done trying to make it better. (45:30-54:43)


Hank refers to an 'Andy' a handful of times in the course of the conversation, that would be KDHX volunteer engineer/producer, Andy Heaslet.

You can catch guest host Hank Thompson on the air Sunday nights at 6pm on 88.7 WSIE.

*Get well soon, DJ Wilson!*

Nov 7, 2017

Hank Thompson hosts Collateral Damage once again while DJ Wilson is away.

Guests this week are Rev. Dinah Tatman and Minister Donald Muhammad, leaders from the No Justice No Profits movement, a non-violent community action coalition seeking to gain equal justice under the law for African Americans across the St Louis community and, indeed, the world.

Learn more about the movement here:

Can a broad economic boycott of several major brands and economic centers like the Delmar Loop and the Galleria create the change that these religious leaders are calling for?

Here's how the conversation went:

0:00-13:00 - Framing the boycott: "How can we redistribute that pain?"

13:00-25:00 - "A volcano has erupted..." People have been galvanized, how the boycott can guide their actions.

25:00-29:00 - Implementation of "No Justice No Profits" in the pews.

29:00-35:30 - Who's being boycotted, who should be supported, and why. "You're asking people to turn their backs on their universe," protests Thompson. "You have to give yourself justice," responds Muhammad.

35:30-42:30 - "What should the Galleria do?" asks Thompson. "These are your power brokers" who can change policies, explains Muhammad.

42:30-55:15 - Speaking to the white liberal/progressive and wrapping up. "This is not a 'hate-white' movement, this is a 'love black' movement."

Rev. Tatman references a hit James Brown song with the lyrics, "I'm not looking for a handout. Just open the door, and I'll get it myself." Listen to it here.


Hank refers to an 'Andy' a handful of times in the course of the conversation, that would be KDHX volunteer engineer/producer, Andy Heaslet.

You can catch guest host Hank Thompson on the air Sunday nights at 6pm on 88.7 WSIE.

*Get well soon, DJ Wilson!*

Oct 31, 2017

Everyone at 88.1 KDHX is wishing DJ Wilson a speedy recovery from his illness.


Alderwoman Heather Navarro was elected this July to fill the seat left open following Lyda Krewson's victory in the river city's mayoral election last spring.

Navarro, a licensed attorney, is also the Executive Director of the Missouri Coalition for the Environment, an organization that seeks to "educate, organize, and advocate in defense of Missouri's people and their environment."

Here's a look at how the conversation went:

0:00-6:30 - Introduction. "I don't know if anything can prepare you" for serving on the Board of Aldermen (BoA).

6:30-12:30 - Joining the BoA during a tumultuous time. "My role as a white person is to say 'Black Lives Matter'" and support the board's Black Caucus.

12:30-24:45 - Prop P. Navarro is glad the decision is ultimately in the hands of the voters.

24:45-25:45 - City-County merger.

25:45-28:45 - Public Education.

28:45-31:30 - Shrinking the BoA. Navarro serves on the legislative committee, the body who will decide how the new lines are drawn.

31:30-37:45 - What encourages Navarro? Passing a resolution calling on the city to get their power from 100% Renewable Energy certainly gives this environmentalist hope.

37:45-45:00 - Tax Abatements and wrapping up. "I have two dream jobs right now!"

You can catch guest host Hank Thompson on the air Sunday nights at 6pm on 88.7 WSIE.

Oct 24, 2017

Hank Thompson is back in the host's chair this week as DJ Wilson tackles some health issues. Check out Thompson's usual show, "Voices," Sundays at 6pm on 88.7 WSIE.

James Clark is the VP of Community Outreach for Better Family Life, a 31-year-old St. Louis-based organization looking "To establish social, cultural, artistic, youth, economic, housing, and educational programs that help promote positive and innovative changes in the lives of individuals and their families."

Clark navigates what he calls the "thick web of violence in our city," treating families' front porches as the front line in the struggle to end violence in St. Louis.

This community outreach professional keeps his phone on 24/7 and shares some of the stories that keep him up at night and the strategies that get him up and moving each morning.

One of those strategies is Peace Fest, coming up on Saturday Oct 28th 11am-8pm in Forest Park's Aviation Field.

Here's a look at how the conversation went:

0-11:15 - Why Better Family Life? "There's no problem that a strong black family can't handle," says Thompson. 

11:15-19:45 - Showing youth a better trajectory. There aren't brick-and-mortar or policy solutions to violence in our city streets.

19:45-25:15 - The neighborhood alliance model. Outreach workers go door to door within a specific "handprint" (don't say footprint) performing family assessments.

25:45-36:00 - Protests of police violence vs responses to street violence in our city. "They just came by and shot us," cried a young man to Clark during a late-night phone call.

36:00-47:30 - What can well-meaning white people do? Don't get stuck in "analysis paralysis," we know that poverty is the root of the problem.

48:00-55:53 - Peace Fest, "Packing Forest Park with peace loving people.

Oct 17, 2017

This week's guest host, according to DJ Wilson, "has the best voice in radio." Hank Thompson usually hosts the weekly show "Voices," Sunday evenings at 6pm on 88.7 WSIE, but this week he's also recording at the KDHX studios with guest Virvus Jones.

Jones, a frequent guest on Collateral Damage, and Thompson have known each other for years. This week's podcast is a front row seat for a lively conversation between two wise men who have been living and breathing St Louis history, politics, and activism for decades.

Guest host Hank Thompson with guest Virvus Jones

Here's a very rough look at how the conversation goes:

1:30-15:45 - What's up in St Louis... Jones: Police may say they own downtown streets, but they don't own the streets up in Walnut Park.

16:00-23:00 - How did we get here? A history of politics, voting rights, urban renewal (aka "black removal" according to Jones), and blight.

23:00-27:00 - Do single parent households have a role to play in the state of unrest? Thompson: "You've got to have standards," Jones: "You've got to have money!"

27:00-30:30 - What can change? Thompson: You paint a bleak picture, what can change? Jones: Stop the incremental BS.

30:30-41:15 - Prop P sales tax and more on newly appoint Director of Public Safety, Judge Jimmie Edwards. Jones references this piece in the St Louis American.

41:15-52:45 - Thompson: "I want to get something out of this though..." Jones offers some thoughts including initiatives implemented by his daughter (city Treasurer Tishaura Jones). PLUS: a great debate about the recent town hall with Mayor Krewson and Representative Bruce Franks.

Sep 26, 2017

In 2014, Valerie Dent lost her two youngest sons, ages 24 and 31, to gun violence. That same weekend, Edith Williams lost her great nephew. A few months later, her pastor asked her to help start a local chapter of Mothers in Charge.

Nationally, this organization is known as "a violence prevention, education and intervention-based organization, which advocates and supports youth, young adults, families and community organizations affected by violence."

Locally, Williams and Dent help grieving families cope when violent tragedies strike.

Get in touch via the St Louis Mothers in Charge Facebook page.


Here's a look at how the conversation goes:

1:15-10:30 - Mothers in Charge in St Louis. The tough stories that brought Williams and Dent to this important work.

10:30-13:45 - Working with the police and how Mothers in Charge helps grieving families. 

 13:45-20:00 - "Structure to give back..." How Edith and Valerie make this work happen.

20:00-23:30 - "When I call them, I want them to show up..." more on working with the police.

23:30-27:00 - The nuts and bolts of reaching out to a grieving family.

27:00-32:30 - "Think before you react." "Retaliation needs to stop." The best ways to decrease violence. 

32:30-40:00 - "Show children love... and that they can trust you." Wrapping up and what gives Dent and Williams hope.

Sep 19, 2017

Here is a rough breakdown of how the conversation went.


Stockley Trial= 3:00-35:00

Amazon in St.Louis? = 36:35-42:00

Scottrade renovations= 42:01-45:00

Metro Link Crime= 45:22-49:22

Sep 12, 2017

For 15 years, four hours every morning, Lizz Brown woke up the St Louis region with her WGNU show, "The Wakeup Call."

The title of her talk radio program was more than a witty double entendre, it was a way of life for the firebrand host who wasn't afraid to declare that she was "liberal and lovin' it."

Adella Jones is a public information specialist who worked for the St. Louis Police Department and sometimes went toe to toe with the radio host while Brown was in her prime with "The Wakeup Call." Jones has since left the SLPD and now works in the private sector.

Jones and DJ Wilson are both full of respect and admiration for the radio personality who passed away on Sept 6, 2017 after battling cancer for some time.


Here's a look at how the conversation went:

2:30-8:30 - Reporting from the back of a paddy wagon. Brown obviously talked the talk, but she walked the walk, too.

8:30-14:15 - A voice for North St. Louis. "The Wakeup Call" provided a voice for the otherwise unheard.

14:15-15:45 - Multiple dimensions. While Brown was known for her fiery on-air personality, she had some surprises in store.

15:45-23:30 - "She'd make you sharpen up your game..." Brown made local government better by holding them accountable.

23:30-37:00 - Media is lame now. Not only did Brown host her own show, she influenced the rest of the St Louis media market.

37:30-48:00 - "Talking releases pressure." No one is doing what Lizz did anymore... "disengagement is not to our advantage.

48:30-54:20 - Lizz at her best and the media landscape today.

Aug 29, 2017

Jeanette Mott Oxford is the executive director of Empower Missouri, an organization that "envisions Missouri becoming a more just, equitable and democratic society that assures every person’s health, safety, security, independence, human rights, dignity and the opportunity to reach full potential."

DJ and Jeanette's conversation follows Mott Oxford's career in politics, the work of Empower Missouri, and, of course, our state and nation's political climate.


Here's a look at how the conversation went:

0:00-15:00 - Who is J-MO and what does Empower Missouri do? "Why should workers live in poverty?"

15:00-22:00 - How does EmpowerMO help children and combat structural barriers to overcoming poverty? "It's in everyone's interest to solve housing and hunger."

22:00-28:15 - Toxic stress and kids. Some children are growing up with PTSD - what can we do about it?

28:15-32:00 - What's it like working with our state and federal representatives? Missouri is #2 in hunger and misconceptions are holding us back from making a change.

32:00-36:30 - EmPOWer Missouri's upcoming conference. POW stands for "Persisting in Organizing to Win."

36:30-40:30 - How has the MO house of representatives changed since J-MO left office? Mott Oxford's hope is in people, not party.

40:30-43:00 - Mott Oxford is a plaintiff in a lawsuit to prevent city funds going to support upgrades to the ScottTrade Center, something DJ has discussed with Cara Spencer (episode 108) and Fred Lindecke (episode 107).

43:00-49:00 - Why Trump is president and wrap-up. No president can just make things happen, that's why organizations like Empower Missouri are needed to advocate for change.

Aug 22, 2017

With the passing of comedian, civil rights activist, and cultural icon Dick Gregory, d.j. pays homage to the life of the St. Louis native, by reading excerpts of Gregory's 1964 autobiography, "nigger." Gregory attended Cote Brilliante elementary school, graduated from Sumner High School, and attended SIU-Carbondale before becoming a comedian. he was active in the Civil Rights struggle, and ran as a write-in candidate for president in 1968.  

Aug 15, 2017

What follows is a rough breakdown of how the conversation went down.


What inspired you to stat this academy? (3:00-8:00)

Soccer in STL (9:00-10:30)

The Field (10:40-13:00)

Youth Soccer in STL (14:00-17:30)

How to get a coach (17:45-19:00)

Why Soccer? (19:30-30:00)

Challenges of soccer (36:15-42:00)

Fifa Fair Play (42:10-47:00)

Popularity of the sport (47:00-49:30

How to get this field (49:45-66:00)

Aug 8, 2017

If the name Bosley rings a bell, that's because the new 3rd Ward alderman is the son of Freeman Bosley Sr. who served the third for 39 years. Brandon's brother served as the city's first black mayor from 1993 to 1997.

The young alderman was narrowly elected in April of 2017, inspired by the mobilization in Ferguson that showed Bosley that his community is ready for change. He wants to help find realistic ways to make that change happen.

Alderman Bosley with host DJ Wilson

Here's a look at how the conversation went:

0:00-16:00 - Who is the new Alderman Bosley? Where Brandon comes from, who he serves, what inspires him, and his governing philosophy.

16:00-19:15 - A divided community? Bosley discusses building realistic credibility in his neighborhoods.

19:15-26:45 - "Building our own blocks..." Tax incentives, the LRA, and alternative development models. 

26:45-31:30 - Understanding crime and the people who commit crime: Discussing a new police chief and the city workhouse.

31:30-35:00 - Alliances on the BoA? Dynamics at City Hall.

35:00-43:15 - The 3rd Ward: What Alderman Bosley's constituents (aka neighbors) are telling him.

43:15-48:30 - What's the role looking like four months in? What's next?


 Collateral Damage is hosted by veteran journalist Dennis (DJ) Wilson.

Aug 1, 2017

Kathleen Henry and Bruce Morrison from the Great Rivers Environmental Law Center join D.J. in the KDHX studios to discuss a variety of federal, state, and local environmental issues and what they mean to us here in the St. Louis region.



Here's a glance at how the conversation goes:

1:30-8:15 - What does the GRELC do and why?

8:15-21:00 - What does the Trump administration mean for the environment in St. Louis? Streamlining the development process isn't very good for Missouri and Illinois streams.

21:15-26:30 - How are things at the state level? What can the average citizen do to help? 

26:30-35:00 - What's going on closer to home? Development in St. Louis County parks, in particular, is not being done to promote outdoor recreation.

35:00-47:00 - Putting it all in perspective. Shifting from fossil fuels to renewable energy and seeing if there's any reason for hope.

Surprisingly, DJ ends on an optimistic note!

Jul 18, 2017

John Amman, SLU law professor, and Catherine Frizell, staff attorney for Children's Rights, discuss the federal class action suit against Missouri to stop the over-prescription of psychotropic drugs to the state's foster children.

Jul 4, 2017

Virvus Jones stopped by to speak with DJ about many issues facing the city of St. Louis, including crime, the budget, the national economy, the guaranteed annual income, and many other topics effecting the entire country on this episode of Collateral Damage.

4th of July : 3:00

VP Fair : 5:20

Gina Scott : 8:40

Veteran Life : 14:00

Housing : 20:00

Green Housing : 22:00

Universal Basic Income : 25:38

Crime : 33:30

City Budget : 36:55

Confederate memorial removal : 57:00


Jun 27, 2017

Daniel Durchholz from the St. Louis Post Dispatch stopped by the studio to share stories of what it is like to review music, how he believes people should behave at a concert, and a variety of tales from his decades covering music and doing concert reviews. 


The Riverfront Times (3:50)

Reviewing Music (4:35)

How to Prepare (11:30)

Note taking (13:00)

Set Lists (16:00)

Deadlines (17:25)

How to choose a concert to review (22:18)

Tom Petty (23:42)

Concert Etiquette (24:50)

Neil Young (34:10)

B.B. King (45:25)

Chris Cornell (49:00)

Worst Interviews (57:50)

Band you most want to see (61:40)

The Great Guns N Roses Riot of 91 (63:00)

Jun 20, 2017

DJ speaks with the conveners of the local chapter of the Online News Association.

Nguyen is the Newsroom Developer at the St Louis Post-Dispatch.

Moffitt is an Online Producer with St Louis Public Radio.

Here's a rough summary of how the conversation went:

1:00-5:00 - What is the Online News Association? (It's the largest group of digital journalists in the world!)

5:15-13:00 - Why can't DJ find that article from his print edition of the Post online? What are the differences between online platforms and their traditional partners?

14:00-19:45 - What drives people to digital platforms? "We're all just testing the waters constantly," says Moffitt.

19:45-24:30 - What's a Newsroom Developer? How did a journalist from Toronto find his way into writing code for the Post-Dispatch?

24:30-27:00 - How do our local publications compare to national media brands? Learning about what we're great at.

27:00-37:00 - How is this medium being monetized? Publications ask "Can we tackle this?"

37:00-50:00 - Changing expectations for journalists and publications. Why are newspapers hiring SnapChat Editors?

50:00-end - How can people get involved in the ONA? Upcoming events July 13 and again in August.



Jun 13, 2017

Swanstrom joins DJ Wilson to talk professorially about the idea of middle neighborhoods and how approaching community development with a public health lens -- as opposed to that of an ICU -- can be a better model for sustaining diverse neighborhoods.

This sweeping conversation seamlessly covers an awful lot of ground, but here's a rough outline of how it went:

1:30-24:00 - What is a Middle Neighborhood? Swanstrom discusses housing policy, race, economic diversity, and why focusing on these diverse neighborhoods is vital to sustaining strong communities.

24:00-31:00 - The G-word: Gentrification is "a slippery term," says Swanstrom.

31:00-37:15 - Institutionalizing Collaboration: DJ and Professor Swantsrom discuss the fractured nature of the St Louis region and how we can move forward together.

37:15-end - How St Louis Compares Nationally: Of course DJ has to discuss media, but he and his guest also talk about the region's strengths and weaknesses as they compare to the rest of the US.



There were a couple of mentions of DJ's conversation with 20th Ward Alderman Cara Spencer. Here's a link to that program.

While discussing regional issues, DJ mentions a recent article focusing on "Better Together" initiatives. Here's a link to "Krewson, Stenger back latest push for city-county coordination."

Towards the end of the program, DJ mentions Richard Florida, who writes for the Atlantic Magazine. Here's a link to the City Lab author's credits.

Jun 6, 2017

Alderwoman Cara Spencer joined DJ in the studio following his conversation with Coalition Against Public Funding for Stadiums' Fred Lindecke to discuss her opposition to the city authorizing spending $67.5 million for renovations to the Scottrade Center.

Cara Spencer in studio

Here's a rough glance at how the conversation went:

1:30-7:15 - How things are going in Spencer's 20th Ward

7:15-21:45 - Background on the $67.5 million allocated for renovations to the Scottrade Center. "This was never meant to be a bargaining chip." 

21:45-37:00 - The grounds for a lawsuit against this financing model and the cities unmet needs. "I certainly haven't seen the lease."

37:00-44:00 - Lots of legislating still going on in city hall. 

Jun 6, 2017

This week, DJ talks to a retiree from the Post-Dispatch, Fred Lindecke, who played a big roll in getting referendums passed requiring public votes to approve financing     Coalition Against Public Funding of Stadiums.

Lindecke appeared on Collateral Damage in 2015 and returns to discuss the aftermath of the Rams leaving town, the proposed soccer stadium, and the city funding upgrades to the Scottrade Center, where the Blues play.

Here's a rough breakdown of how the conversation went: 

 3:00-6:30 - How the referendums got passed and "A stupid judge's decision"

 6:30-15:00 - The Rams and the proposed soccer stadium

15:00-23:00 - Funding renovations to the Scottrade Center and its implications

23:00-25:00 - What's next and a timetable for pending lawsuits

25:00- end - Reflecting on the state of media and Fred's time at the Post

Tune-in to our follow-up to this conversation with Alderwoman Cara Spencer who is questioning the constitutionality of $67.5 million in public funds being used to pay for renovations to the Scottrade Center

May 16, 2017

A 2015 graduate of Washington University, Nahuel Fefer met with DJ Wilson at the end of his undergraduate career. The Collateral Damage host encouraged the bright young man to get a look at how policy is made in the sausage factory of City Hall rather than going straight to graduate school. After two years of following DJ's advice, Fefer is headed to Law School at NYU.

Fefer in May 2017

DJ and Nahuel talk about the minimum wage, public transportation, the mayoral election, economic policy, and regionalism -- they even find a few moments to discuss India and Nepal, too.

See if you can count how many times Fefer uses the word "Externalities."

Here's how the conversation went -- roughly:

3:00-11:30 - StL Minimum Wage: Why Fefer likes this policy and what state politics have to say about it.

12:00-19:00 - Props 1 & 2: Slay's big initiatives in his final year in office

19:00-25:00 - Metrics: What tools should we use to make decisions in City Hall?

25:00-27:00 - A New Mayor: Is there reason for hope?

29:00-39:00 - Looking Ahead: Opportunities and threats for StL

39:00-45:00 - What's Next for Nahuel: Law school, international travel, "Cultural Whiplash"

May 9, 2017

Doug Moore has spent 17 years with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Moore recently interviewed the new St. Louis City mayor, Lyda Krewson, in an article titled, "New St. Louis mayor on her to-do list, political foes and getting 'remarried' to the county."

Here's a quick, approximate breakdown of the interview if you'd like to skip around:

2:30-8:00 - Regional Flooding: The newsroom's responsibility

8:10-25:00 - New Mayor Lyda Krewson: The race, her team, and her prospects

25:00-33:30 - Homelessness in St. Louis: Closing the NLEC, opening of the Biddle House, and how we got here

33:45-38:15 - NGA: What it took to move the spy agency to the North Side

38:20-50:30 - The Newsroom: Changes at hand and headlines on the horizon

May 2, 2017

Jenna Bauer is an artist, arts educator, and breath of fresh air in St Louis. She talks this week about her work with the Colorbridge Arts Collective, a "grassroots arts collective dedicated to providing inspired thematic curricula and studio art education opportunities for individuals, schools, families and community groups."

Colorbridge Arts is hosting a fundraiser on Thursday, May 4, 2017 at the Colorbridge Studio at 5832 Macklind Ave, 63109.

Jenna helped found SCOSaG, now known as Artscope, which is based in Tower Grove Park.

Ms Bauer's work isn't limited to visual arts and arts education, she is an artist in residence at Cherokee Street's Yaquis restaurant and bar, where she sings jazz standards on Tuesday evenings.

Apr 26, 2017

Former SLU Urban Affairs Professor George Otte along with his wife, Françoise Otte, who worked in St Louis City Hall before joining Southwestern Bell and then IBM, return for their annual conversation with Collateral Damage to discuss the recent French presidential elections, the present state of Europe, and how Trump is viewed abroad.

Apr 18, 2017

Jason Rosenbaum of St. Louis Public Radio and Maria Keena of KMOX join DJ in studio to discuss the latest election, the failed soccer stadium, safety concerns on the metro and the state of radio.

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